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RIAA Website Hacked

Posted by CmdrTaco on Mon Jan 21, 2008 09:43 AM
from the maybe-someone-just-typed-rm--rf dept.
gattaca writes "A lack of security controls allowed hackers to "wipe" the Recording Industry Association of America's (RIAA) website on Sunday. The existence of an SQL injection attack on the RIAA's site came to light via social network news site Reddit. Soon after hackers were making merry, turning the site into a blank slate, among other things. The RIAA has restored RIAA.org, although whether it's any more secure than before remains open to question, TorrentFreak reports."
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  • Well (Score:5, Funny)

    by Chas (5144) on Monday January 21 2008, @09:45AM (#22126250) Homepage Journal
    Normally I don't advocate cracking someone's site. It's childish and petty. Kinda like the RIAA itself.

    But, for some reason, I'm having a really hard time working up any real sense of moral outrage over it.

    This probably makes me a bad, biased person.

    C'est la vie!
  • by Loibisch (964797) on Monday January 21 2008, @09:51AM (#22126334)
    It would have been so much better to make it a temporary mirror for thepiratebay.org :D

    Wonder if they would have started a lawsuit against themselves...
    • Re:Why wipe it? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by webmaster404 (1148909) on Monday January 21 2008, @09:54AM (#22126388)
      Nah, how about a bunch of press releases saying that "the RIAA was wrong to sue music fans for sharing songs therefore we are dropping all the charges" and then seeing if the judge would say that if it was a cracked site or the RIAA itself. Or how about a plea to stop DRM by saying "it is not working" or at least informing people about the evils of DRM. The possibilities are endless, just blanking a page.... how unprofessional, it did no good to the world the way then the way it could have been done.
      • Re:Why wipe it? (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Speare (84249) on Monday January 21 2008, @10:17AM (#22126610) Homepage
        If one of your neighbors is disappointed in your lawn care or your dog's poops, there are positive ways of stating the disagreement, and there are negative ways. Certainly, if they spraypainted their message in 2ft high letters on the exterior of your house, you'd be understandably less interested in the actual message than in cleaning the graffiti and contacting the constabulary. Likewise, defacing the website with a thoughtful "open letter" isn't likely to actually communicate anything.
        • Re:Why wipe it? (Score:5, Interesting)

          by techpawn (969834) on Monday January 21 2008, @10:34AM (#22126788) Journal
          But, could that open letter be used as evidence? It came from their website then if they try to use "well, anyone can make things on the internet look that way! Just because the IP address and website are ours it doesn't mean it's our data!" couldn't we counter argue that with their IP sniffing and screen shots or whatever?

          I know it would never work. The judge would ph34r t3h ev1l h4xx0rz! But, if fun to dream isn't it?
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        • Re:Why wipe it? by CaptDeuce (Score:2) Monday January 21 2008, @12:12PM
        • Re:Why wipe it? by PitaBred (Score:2) Monday January 21 2008, @01:09PM
        • Re:Why wipe it? by WK2 (Score:2) Monday January 21 2008, @03:11PM
        • Re:Why wipe it? by Lunarsight (Score:1) Monday January 21 2008, @07:28PM
      • Re:Why wipe it? by vertinox (Score:1) Monday January 21 2008, @10:57AM
      • Re:Why wipe it? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Machtyn (759119) on Monday January 21 2008, @11:18AM (#22127228) Homepage
        My question is how often does the average consumer really visit a website like mpaa.org, riaa.org, or any other corporate entity presence? For me, it is less than 0.005 (or less than a 1/2%). I think the last time I visited riaa.org was a couple years ago when /. mentioned the site had been hacked. I've never visited a General Motors website, the company that makes my favorite breakfast cereal or laundry detergent. I've just never had the desire.

        I suspect that the average person visits their favorite news site, gaming portal (like games.yahoo.com or legitgames.com or whatever), fark/digg/slashdot, and blogs of the different varieties. My wife will occasionally do searches for recipes, information on baby stuff, etc. We'll hit newegg.com, amazon.com, or other storefronts.

        Am I wrong in my thinking that the average person would visit a site like mpaa.org, riaa.org, or other industry specific org sites? We all use tires to drive on, have you ever visited the site for Michelen or Dunlap tires? Do they have a trade org site that issues news, warnings, and user information regarding recalls/defects of certain tires? If so, I've never even considered searching it out.

        My point is that very few people would see it to make it worth putting information touting your propaganda. However, if it was outrageous enough, perhaps it would make news and people might visit (by which time it would be too late, as the site would be fixed).
      • by Weaselmancer (533834) on Monday January 21 2008, @03:01PM (#22129976)

        Nah, how about a bunch of press releases saying that "the RIAA was wrong to sue music fans for sharing songs therefore we are dropping all the charges" and then seeing if the judge would say that if it was a cracked site or the RIAA itself.

        The linchpin of the RIAA's lawsuit factory rests on the supposition that an IP address is exactly identical to a person. What the IP address does is legally identical to a person doing it. That's their argument.

        So, if their website were to be hacked, wouldn't that exact same rule apply to whatever content was there? Their IP address is legally the same as the person/corporation/entity who owns it, right? That IS their argument, after all.

        So why not use that against them in a legal sense?

        It would be brilliant. The RIAA lawyers when they were brought into court for whatever happened to be uploaded there would have to make the argument that an IP address DOES NOT equate to the owner of the IP address in order to defend themselves.

        They'd have to make our argument for us, and in front of a judge.

        You couldn't ask for a better precedent.

      • Re:Why wipe it? by ArsenneLupin (Score:2) Monday January 21 2008, @04:22PM
      • Re:Why wipe it? by Rich0 (Score:2) Monday January 21 2008, @11:59AM
      • Re:Why wipe it? by AxoltAl (Score:2) Monday January 21 2008, @12:22PM
      • Re:Why wipe it? by Jtheletter (Score:3) Monday January 21 2008, @12:58PM
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    • Re:Why wipe it? by greginnj (Score:3) Monday January 21 2008, @12:16PM
  • by blake1 (1148613) on Monday January 21 2008, @09:53AM (#22126366)
    instead I would have used my cunning to download the latest Britney album to their server in DRM-free MP3 format. And then promptly reported them to themselves.
  • by SirLurksAlot (1169039) on Monday January 21 2008, @09:53AM (#22126368)

    if they made innocuous little changes here and there, such as changing the words "do not support file-sharing" to "fully support file-sharing." It probably would've the RIAA much longer to realize they've been had, and I'm sure they would've gotten some interesting calls and e-mails :-D

  • by Kranfer (620510) on Monday January 21 2008, @09:54AM (#22126380) Homepage Journal
    ZOMG!!!!11111oneone!!1! The RIAA got hax0rzed. Well I guess they had it coming to them. While I understand their cause, I do not understand their tactics, their methods, or how they say they fight for the artists. I must say good job to the people who found the SQL injection flaw. May their programmers be whipped and stoned... well... I guess they would just throw lawsuits and blank CD's at their programmers and accuse them of stealing MP3's. Oh well. still great news.
    • Re:ZOMG!!! by Tourney3p0 (Score:1) Monday January 21 2008, @08:26PM
  • RIAA will use this (Score:5, Insightful)

    by BadHaggis (1179673) on Monday January 21 2008, @09:57AM (#22126402)
    to justify further restrictions on P2P software. I'm sure they will be able to twist this attack into some type of political message to show that the P2P community is just a bunch of cracking criminals which need to be stopped.

    While I hold little sympathy for RIAA in this matter, I would rather people found different and legal ways to thwart the RIAA's mission.

    • by webmaster404 (1148909) on Monday January 21 2008, @10:07AM (#22126526)
      We have found legal ways. Its called not buying albums or buying into DRM. However, the RIAA thinks that it is always P2P networks that are to blame for every loss that they suffer. So if the RIAA loses sales, its not because more people are buying indie band CDs or downloading non-RIAA songs, its because of those pirates never ever because most of the music is more noise then music. The RIAA has no logic, they are used to being a monopoly. Even when we win we lose.
    • Re:RIAA will use this by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Monday January 21 2008, @10:10AM
    • Re:RIAA will use this by moosesocks (Score:2) Monday January 21 2008, @01:52PM
    • Fooey. by Weaselmancer (Score:2) Monday January 21 2008, @03:10PM
    • Re:RIAA will use this by pxlmusic (Score:1) Tuesday January 22 2008, @11:23AM
  • by rolfc (842110) on Monday January 21 2008, @09:59AM (#22126434)
    they were using copyprotection on their site.
  • Or is it? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by mach1980 (1114097) on Monday January 21 2008, @10:01AM (#22126452)
    Do not rule out the RIAA to hire someone to do the hacking to win moral high ground.

    RIAA may now turn their media machine to connect evil hackers with the pirate bay and try to put them in the same corner as child molesters and nazis.
    • Re:Or is it? by zifn4b (Score:1) Monday January 21 2008, @11:34AM
    • Re:Or is it? by oojimaflib (Score:1) Monday January 21 2008, @11:38AM
      • Re:Or is it? by repapetilto (Score:1) Monday January 21 2008, @03:31PM
    • Re:Or is it? by ScentCone (Score:2) Monday January 21 2008, @12:07PM
  • by IndustrialComplex (975015) on Monday January 21 2008, @10:06AM (#22126512)
    If you are going to break into a website, then you need some sort of plan for when/if you succeed.

    How about a statement like this:

    "The protections applied to this website were more robust than the Digital Rights Management that is applied to CDs DVDs and other forms of digital media. Yet even that didn't stop a determined individual. If this website were a CD, it would be leaked all over the internet, and once cracked, DRM simply becomes an impediment to the legitimate users."

    At least they could have tried to make it relevant. However, it is quite possible that they didn't have all that much time or total access to the site. (though if you can erase something, I'm pretty sure that is as close to total access as you need) I'm not too familiar with databases and websites so I don't know how far they could go with it.
  • by maynard (3337) <maynard @ j m g.com> on Monday January 21 2008, @10:06AM (#22126514) Homepage Journal
    I like the site a bunch, so I say this with a twinge of reluctance. And I certainly don't like the RIAA. But that kind of behavior is plain criminal. Doesn't matter who owns the computer, it is private property and deserves respect as such.
  • by briggsb (217215) on Monday January 21 2008, @10:18AM (#22126626)
    Maybe it was people protesting the RIAA's plan to put RFID chips on CDs [bbspot.com] to combat piracy that caused the attack.
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  • by sayfawa (1099071) on Monday January 21 2008, @10:24AM (#22126690)
    Anybody got a screen capture?
  • wow (Score:5, Insightful)

    by kellyb9 (954229) on Monday January 21 2008, @10:26AM (#22126704)
    So you're the most hated site on the internet essentially, especially by people who proudly go by the name "pirates". And you don't protect your site??? Who exactly is running this operation?
    • Re:wow (Score:5, Funny)

      by Osurak (1013927) on Monday January 21 2008, @10:48AM (#22126930)

      So you're the most hated site on the internet essentially, especially by people who proudly go by the name "pirates". And you don't protect your site??? Who exactly is running this operation?
      Ninjas.
      • Re:wow by maxwell demon (Score:1) Monday January 21 2008, @03:20PM
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    • Re:wow by budgenator (Score:2) Monday January 21 2008, @03:01PM
  • by ndtechnologies (814381) on Monday January 21 2008, @10:26AM (#22126714)
    "HA HA!"
  • by megazork (953335) on Monday January 21 2008, @10:30AM (#22126754)
    The OP should have posted a link to RIAA.org so that it could have been slashdotted. =)
  • by Maxo-Texas (864189) on Monday January 21 2008, @10:44AM (#22126886)
    First... I agree that shutting someone else up is not a great way to have a conversation...

    But if you are going to do something like this, then have a little panache.

    For example, you could upload a few Mp3's with links to download them from the site.

    Or upload some key quotes "Copyright should be good for forever less one day".

    Or upload Jefferson's statements on copyright.

    ah well...
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21 2008, @10:55AM (#22127000)
    that someone report them for using unlicensed software.
  • How about some screenshots?
    • Re:RIAA Site by black2d (Score:1) Monday January 21 2008, @11:34AM
    • Re:RIAA Site by chubs730 (Score:1) Monday January 21 2008, @11:39AM
  • This is not good (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 21 2008, @11:03AM (#22127062)
    Attacking their website will only aid them in public opinion. This gives credit to their argument that people who oppose them are criminals.
  • I slapped as many of the screenshots I could find together. I'll try to update. Either way, here's the hack...


    Velcroman98.googlepages.com/riaa/ [slashdot.org]

  • Oops... (Score:2, Funny)

    by Hanners1979 (959741) on Monday January 21 2008, @11:33AM (#22127442) Homepage
    Looks like someone was using the RIAA web server's CD-ROM drive to listen to their Sony album collection again...
  • by Kildjean (871084) on Monday January 21 2008, @11:43AM (#22127594) Homepage
    Hackers: 1
    RIAA: 0

    Goooooooooooooooooooooooooo!! Hackers!!!!!!!!
  • by firesyde424 (1127527) on Monday January 21 2008, @11:52AM (#22127718)
    For whatever reason, as much as I try, I can't bring myself to feel sorry for the RIAA. They stand between me and the reasonable use of content that I purchase with my hard earned cash. If I purchase an MP3, I expect to be able to listen to that MP3 anywhere that I listen to music. But thats not the case. While I can listen to it on my computer, I can't lug my desktop out to my car with me. So I must use my mp3 player. Except, my mp3 player is a 6 year old creative jukebox. Not compatible with any modern DRM scheme. I must then spend MORE money on a newer mp3 player or risk legal implications by stripping the DRM away from the mp3. That's like buying an orange at the grocery store and being told that I can't use my fingers to peel it because my fingers aren't "compatible" with the skin of the orange. Instead, I must buy a knife to legally peel the skin from the orange. But I can't just buy any knife. I hafta buy an "iKnife." As a consumer, I feel no sympathy for the RIAA.

    Whether by ignorance or lack of attention to detail, the RIAA left a security hole big enough to drive a truck through. Someone figured out where the hole was and then posted instructions on how to drive the truck. It was only a matter of time before someone jumped into the drivers seat. While my understanding of SQL isn't exactly at a mastery level, it seems to me that this exploit could have been easily avoided. So, as a system admin, I again feel no sympathy.

    Having said that, this is/was illegal. Those who helped deface the RIAA website have done nothing more than stoop to the level that the RIAA has made its home in for some time now. The RIAA is not averse to using tricks, legal games, and outright dishonesty in pushing its agenda. How is hacking their website any better?

    There are better and more legal ways to fight the greed that the RIAA represents. All hacking their website does is add another dimension to an already complicated problem. Way to go guys.

    Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
    • Re:Ojectivity by shark72 (Score:2) Monday January 21 2008, @12:50PM
      • Re:Ojectivity by geminidomino (Score:2) Monday January 21 2008, @01:45PM
      • Re:Ojectivity by firesyde424 (Score:1) Monday January 21 2008, @04:56PM
    • Re:Ojectivity by Bushido Hacks (Score:1) Monday January 21 2008, @08:29PM
  • by hyades1 (1149581) <hyades1@hotmail.com> on Monday January 21 2008, @12:11PM (#22127958)

    Others have noted that a splendid opportunity to do something really insidious to the RIAA site was wasted. It's worse than that. Even a brain-damaged idiot has enough sense to hire somebody to make the site 'way more difficult to hack next time.

    So when somebody finds the next vulnerability, allow me to suggest that before they act, they view "The Yes Men vs The WTA". It's funny, it's subversive in the best sense of the word, and it shows what you can accomplish with a little imagination.

    When you've got a bunch of asshats like the RIAA bent over a chair with their pants to their knees, letting them go with a warning verges on criminal irresponsibility.

  • The RIAA can sue its own ass off. I only support any company which isn't on their client list.

    The only way to get them to listen is by NOT listening.

    Mullah Omar was right but for all the wrong reasons.
  • by Jtheletter (686279) on Monday January 21 2008, @01:09PM (#22128676)
    A lot of the posts on this news seem to focus on what could have been done instead of just blanking the site, but do we have any evidence that the wipe was the only thing that occurred? If the person/people who did this really wanted to hurt the RIAA then this would be a good way to get some trojans onto RIAA computers. To be really sneaky they might have even done some research on which IP blocks are most likely assigned to RIAA and member networks and only infect computers coming from those blocks, thus sparing most innocent visitors. Then you've got a direct line into RIAA operations and much more valuable data than whatever is on their web servers. Not that I'm advocating this, merely postulating that there could be more at work than a simple website wipe.
  • I'm actually surprised this happened only just now.

    The RIAA must be one of the most hated computer related organizations on the planet.
    I'm pretty sure a lot of people have attempted to hack the RIAA in one way or another. I mean c'mon, if you're into the "black-hat" thing and you're looking for a new target wouldn't the RIAA be a very obvious and satisfying target?
    'I took the RIAA' down!, now that would be one hell of a e-peen enlarger.

    Though the method used now was really really sloppy on their side. I can imagine their internal IT team must deal with a lot of attack attempts, so this being the first time, doesn't that make the RIAA pretty much bulletproof?

    That being said...

    HA! :)
  • I am really worried that http://riaa.org/ [riaa.org] is still up - so I load it in my browser and then I keep hitting refresh every second to make sure its still there ;)